Sourcing Chat - Nov 22, 2011

MaureenSharib @animal Whatever - can you do it? I sent you the transcript

Recruiting Animal @MaureenSharib Sorry, that should be gofer #schat

Recruiting Animal @MaureenSharib what am I your gopher? Yes #schat

Recruit4U Steven G. Davis
@afluhrer i.e: a DOS security clearance is not the same as DOJ clearance, and DOD is different. #Schat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib @animal I always pick up some good stuff here #SChat

MaureenSharib
@Animal I'm offsite and can't get into my own site w/ this computer I'm using... #SChat

MaureenSharib
Thank you everyone - it was a good chat - @Animal can you post the transcript at MagicMethod? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
I have initial lists, need more as this is very-very specialized #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer You're answering your own question on the cracking furnace person. What companies do they work for now? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
Thanks Maureen- glad to make it #schat

Alan Fluhrer
maureen- ask another ? I think the chat is losing interest in this subject #schat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib one thing which will make a difference is calling earlier (no sleep for Maureen)! but call traffic makes a difference #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
cracking furnace in So Cal- most likely lives in TX- maybe NY #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer I'm confused&we're out of time-let's take up next week-send full questions2me and we'll tackle this next Tuesday at noon #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
cracking furnace in So Cal- no clearance needed #schat

Alan Fluhrer
Mech engr- to renovate/maintain big data centers for the likes of say-fbi/cia/etc #schat

MaureenSharib
That chemical engineer- experience with cracking furnace- for So Calif - Does s/he need clearance too? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
@MaureenSharib - yes, but wrong type 4 this need- most of those @ gov't R&D labs #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer Are the mechanical engrs in manufacturing depts? I need more info. #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
Mech Engineer- 4 big construction firm. furnace /process engr- for oil/gas client #schat

Nate Fischer
@afluhrer #schat Any government contractor has a schedule (pricelist) publicly available, look for schedule, find companies to call

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer Are the chemical engrs in R&D depts?? #SChat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer U need cmechanical and chemical engrs w/ clearances? What industry? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
TS-SCI- pref full scope #schat

Steven G. Davis
@afluhrer What type of clearance? there are a few..and they are mostly not reciprical. #Schat

MaureenSharib
@Recruit4u <--He's right. Sometimes it is part of the phone sourcing process. #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@afluhrer mine was just an exercise. I didnt need that info. Have to keep the #schat full of content

Alan Fluhrer
also need- chemical engineer- experience with cracking furnace- for So Calif #schat

Rayanne
RT @toddlangwell: This is what philosophers have been asking since the dawn of time. RT @Ray_anne what's all this #schat about?<- EXACTLY!

Alan Fluhrer
Ind- engineering- infrastructure- titles- mechanical engineers #schat

Todd Langwell
This is what philosophers have been asking since the dawn of time. RT @Ray_anne what's all this #schat about?

Recruit4u Steven G. Davis
Isn't part of Sourcing,figuring out where people r from boolean searchs, googling to then calling is it not all part of the process? #Schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer What titles? #SChat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer Your question? What industry? What companies? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
ok- Animal has enuf . my ? here- I need names of Top secret folks in certain firms in DC/VA/MD #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer Websites sometimes are good starting points. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@Ray_anne Phone Sourcing. Screwed up African phone system.Sourcing CFOs. Finding IT contractors U name it-we're open for questions. #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
tru Maureen. If not. there should be some name on or in their website #schat

MaureenSharib
@MelGeen I could IF I could get into the company offices BUT the African phone system seems #FUBAR #SChat

Martin Lee
#schat I know 1 recruiter who called accounts to "chase invoices" and got the young girl to go through contractor names !

Alan Fluhrer
in africa, I found helpful if other ppl have IM, then use IM phone #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer IF it's a public company. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer <--He's right, @Animal #SChat

Rayanne
what's all this #schat about?

Alan Fluhrer
agree maureen. but if u just need the names to start, the ones you mention are in the 10k and 10q #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal I LISTEN closely for her exasperation level. When I hear it - I bail and go to another one of the names she gave me. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal I ask for ON NAME at a time. First the controller - then the Directors... #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
call the cfo office, or find a person in that dept and call them #schat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib and how do you get the group of names of the people who report to the CFO #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal OR I would ask the receptionist who the controller is.She knows this more often than who the Director of ExternalReporting is #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
The tech ppl that know the cfo r the ones doing report generation for the cfo. this inclds biz intel, finanace analysts, etc #schat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib So U cannot ID the contractors directly. Is that right. U have to speak to each programmer to find out #schat

Recruiting Animal
@afluhrer This is a telephone sourcing chat not a googling chat #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal "Marie, can you tell me who your controller is?" #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal "Marie, I'm trying to reach your controller. Can you transfer me?" #SChat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib what's your dilemma? #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib What wd U ask exactly dear. Do I have to beg for the information like I have been for the last 15 min #schat

Alan Fluhrer
ok animal r u looking 4 programmers or finance ppl? #schat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib Is @NateSigma right that U cdnt source contractors directly just programmers and then find out by asking them #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer @animal I'd also target CFO's at smaller companies in the same industry. #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
@animal- how aout googling 4 them #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal I'd ask the Exec Asst to the CFO first. She knows. #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib How wd U get the direct reports of the CFO. Isnt that what I asked U 10 minutes ago? Or 15. #schat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer You think an auditor to a CFO is a good jump? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
what about complementary depts that deal with the office of the CFO. if u r not having any luck #schat

MaureenSharib
@MelGeen why tough?? #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal Oh. I see. No I'd target controller and all direct reports of CFO. #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
also look @ auditors, what external firm does their auditing is another place #schat

Nate Fischer
@animal @MaureenSharib #schat You would have to talk to them I'm guessing

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib connecting in some companies can be tough sometimes #SChat

MaureenSharib
@afluhrer There is a chat today. Going on NOW. #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib The customer wants a CFO. Wd U only target the mgr of external reporting? #schat

Alan Fluhrer
asking around may get you ppl u didn't know about #schat

MaureenSharib
Anyone here have experience calling into Africa? I have a dilemma...? #SChat

Alan Fluhrer
no #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal Depends what customer wants. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal I'd determine who CFO is ahead of time (usually available publicly) ThenI'd call &ask to speak to the Exec Asst of that name #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib Wd U only going for 1 name when UR searching for a CFO? Just the Mgr External Reporting? #schat

Jerry Albright
RT @animal: @Jerry_Albright @MaureenSharib haha I knew he wasnt participating #schat - just mouthing off < I'm reading dude. Some of us work

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib what wd U say to get to the CFO's EA? #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal Receptionist MIGHT know. But not usually. You want to get into finance to determine. #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib How do you ID the contractors as opposed to full time programmers #schat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib feels good when you get them tho doesn't it, but lots of hurdles - lots #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib does the receptionist know who is in charge of external reporting. does she know what that is? Why that title? #Schat

MaureenSharib
@animal The CFO's Exec Asst would know. #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@Recruit4u thats a question for @Shally - this is telephone sourcing #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal It's likely if one industry participant uses contractors some others do too. Make sense? #EconomicsOfTheMatter #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal Harder, admittedly. I'd look at client's competitors and make some call forays in2them to determine if they have contractors. #SChat

Recruit4u Steven G. Davis
Can you just add "contractor" and "company to the search string or is that too simple? #Schat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib tel infra is a killer! Best advice is get a name and as many mobiles as poss #SChat that way u can text as well as call

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib So you would get 1 person who is in charge of external reporting. #schat Wd she know what that means?

MaureenSharib
@MelGeen Congo Republic to be exact. Your experience? #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib What if client doesnt know and cant advise you. How wd U figure out which companies have the IT contractors U want #schat

MaureenSharib
@animal ...knowing that that person probably reports to Controller. I'd ask ONE Question at a time, investing her in my process #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal I'd ask the Exec Asst who the Controller was. Then I'd ask who was in charge of External Reporting... #SChat

Mel Geen
@MaureenSharib yes, not for a few months tho to be honest #SChat

MaureenSharib
@animal Your customer will tell you what companies and which have contractors inside. Most likely. #SChat

Nate Fischer
#schat re: IT cont.,do you really just aim for contractors, why not just source normally for skills, and will eventually hit contract

MaureenSharib
@MelGeen I'm calling during the night from the U.S. But I'm hitting infrastructure telephone problems. Your experience? #SChat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib How wd you source the CFO's reports #schat

Recruiting Animal
@MaureenSharib re IT contractors #schat how do you know which companies to call

MaureenSharib
@MelGeen Have you called Africa? #SChat

Martin Lee
@MaureenSharib #schat search for them on LinkedIn by location and keyword contract

Jerry Albright
RT @MaureenSharib: @Jerry_Albright Anyone else can help Jerry? #SChat < Thanks Mo. On the phone doing real work so can't participate.

MaureenSharib
@animal Find the nonprofits in Philly and source the CFOs and her reports. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@mrmartinlee I have a feeling Jerry's looking for people in specific spaces. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@Jerry_Albright Anyone else can help Jerry? #SChat

Recruiting Animal
#Schat how wd you start a search for: CFO w/ Non-profit exp in suburban Philly

Martin Lee
@Jerry_Albright @Jerry_Albright #schat those guys often have a personal website with phone numbers or see who recommends them.

MaureenSharib
@Jerry_Albright If I know there are contract IT people attached to the company and I'm not told, I ASK. After I have the names. #SChat

MaureenSharib
@Jerry_Albright I call into the companies where they're likely working. Many times I'll be told if they're employees or contractors. #SChat

MaureenSharib
How do you source contract IT people? #SChat

MaureenSharib
Hello. HappyThanksgiving and all that. Let's get started. #SChat

Jerry Albright
My question for the #Schat family: How do you source contract IT people?

Recruiting Animal
ON NOW - #Schat - the telephone sourcing chat - that is better than the rest